The Bhutanese Christian Community of Georgia (BCCG) organized first-of-its-kind ‘Bhutanese Christian Summit 2011 in GA’ from July 1-3, 2011. The Summit, as reported, was successful to gather hundreds of Christian followers, especially resettled Bhutanese, from across the USA. Santosh Ramdam, the secretary of BCCG talked about the Summit and other contemporary issues the Community is facing with TP Mishra of Bhutan News Service. Excerpts:
Tell us in detail about the Summit including the objectives
This historic event was held at the First Lilburn Baptist Church in Atlanta, Georgia. It was
purely faith-based event in the name of Almighty God. In our three-day program, the local church choir groups sang the hymns and led the worship.
The Pastors and leaders from different states expressed their experiences of initiating the fellowship in their respective States and shared words of God to the participants. Cultural shows were other attractions of the Summit. Prayers by all participants for healing of sick and needy people was yet supplementary attraction. There were an estimated 600 participants from the host State, other States and abroad. Initially, an estimated 300 participants were expected to participate in the Summit from outside GA.
The main objective was to worship God together, generate ideas of encouraging Bhutanese Christian communities in America to come together. This is to explore different means and resources and put them to better-organized form and extend support spiritually and materialistically to the Bhutanese communities in general.
Is it true that the freshly arrived Bhutanese refugees in the USA are intimidated—both by Bhutanese and non-Bhutanese Christianity preachers—in some forms to convert their religion?
I consider this as a baseless statement. I am a Bhutanese Christian leader in one of the Churches in Atlanta. I have never experienced such things ever. I have never intended to intimidate and force anyone to convert his or her religion. I can’t even imagine friends in other States/local churches doing such activities. However, we continue to disseminate the messages of God to the people anytime, anywhere and this is the greatest commandment quoted in the holy Bible.
Bhutanese Christian society was suppressed, at some point—both in Bhutan and in refugee camps in Nepal. Now that most of you are in the USA, where right to religion is well guaranteed, how do you feel?
Interestingly, this is true to some extent. The Bhutan government’s coercion on Christian followers might have been done intentionally, which is a sad thing. I, however, never think that my Bhutanese folks in refugee camps intended to suppress Christian population for I personally never experienced that situation ever.
We lived harmonious life, which in some cases in the refugee settlements around the world might be otherwise. Our fight is a common fight, which in particular also includes our call for the guarantee of right to religion in Bhutan. If there was any discrimination in whatever forms/nature, it was ignorance and I consider social set-up as a backdrop, not the people.
What are the main challenges for Bhutanese Christian, in the Diaspora, especially in the USA?
We came across a lot of difficult situations in the past. May be because of these bitter experiences that we now actually do not feel any noticeable challenges. In terms of being organized, there is a need of forming national level Bhutanese Christian society and was discussed about it during the summit and agreed to follow up very shortly.
Interestingly, our next National Bhutanese Christian Summit (2012) has roughly been scheduled in Arizona next year and I am hoping that we will be able to figure out something well.
Where do u see Christian Bhutanese communities in ten years time from now?
Bhutanese Christians will be one of the organized faith-based entities in the Bhutanese diaspora. We would be able to help our own Bhutanese communities in the extended manner, including our Bhutanese brothers and sisters inside Bhutan. We would be bridging between larger American Christian society and Bhutanese communities in America for different services and resources, which can be made available to Bhutanese communities.
Dear Bro.Ramdam,
Great achievement and thanks for sharing in this news media. Unfortunately,we living in New England,[north-east US]couldn’t hear before the program. Anyway,nice to hear sooner or later. May God Almighty bless you with high spirit and wisdom to carry out the mission all over US including resettled countries, Nepal and Bhutan as well gradually in future. God works spiritually,powerfully and wonderfully but we need to have consistency and perseverance sticking in Gods’ words.
May God Bless U and your team!
Gurung,
USA.
We Christians are responsible for stalling the exilee’s struggle for change in Bhutan to a big extent of it. Let me not go to a detail on this here. We did not want to fught with the royal government. This is one gist in our religious faith. We believed that it was not a right thing to do.
Bhutanese was our nationality, which we lost when the royal government siezed it. Seriously, dear bretheren, please stop trying to recognize ourselves as Bhutanese diaspora. Let’s not be so funny. Aren’t we concerned about being in the larger Christian society, and about American nationality? How much do we care about what other Bhutanese refugees want to do? Let’s please not do one thing, and claim to have been doing something else. More precisely, let’s not give this hypocisy an air. We are Nepali-speaking Christians and, as such, we belong to that particular group of Church-goers. God bless you.
How can Ramdam be a Christian name? Second thing is, is he a leader? How can one be a leader in religious point of view? This is the degree of his stupidity.
And Samuel was Christian when he and his family left Bhutan. How dare can you utter such words without shame?
Mr Jigme,
How can you say that? We don’t have to change the name when we believe, do you guys changed the name when you were Buddhist a religion from Tibet, Nyingmapa and Kayugpa,
did you change your name, No one is leader, he is just a pastor doing God’s work, don’t dare say that Samuel was not christian in Bhutan, do you know that there are more then 10 thousand churches in Bhutan, Bible has been translated in Dzongkha, did’t you know that Bhutan’s new constitution has given freedom of religion,
I think you should be in shame, without knowing the history behind, don’t try to utter a word.
Santosh Sir ,any way what you doing is great………………
Samuel, if you are only a Nepali speaking Christian then you shouldn’t have qualified to be resettled in the States. The fact that you or your parents were refugees from Bhutan gave you the opportunity to set your foot in the States. Being Christian didn’t automatically qualify you to come to the States. You sound very bitter and ignorant. We have nothing against our brothers and sisters converting to other religions, we respect all the religions. Do not mix religion with nationality. Just because you have mingled with the Church goers from the States, you think you are a born white Christian.
Hello Christian converts,
You know why I did not convert to Christianty. I am a Nepali-speaking Hindu, who speaks Nepali that was originated from Sanskrit, the world’s oldest language. Sanskrit is the language used in Hindu religious scriptures. So the language prevents me. Secondly, I am a pluralist, and it is the duty of a Hindu to be a pluralist, to believe in all religions and all Gods and godesses. Even though I am a Hindu, I believe in Allah, Jesus, Guru Nanak and all the Gods because I know every religion is equal. If all citizens of the world were Hindus, I dont imagine the occurunce of World Wars and religious conflicts. Let me show you how pluralist is Hinduism. India or Hindustan , the land of Hindus, already had two Muslim presidents, female president, Sikh prime minister and etc. The United States of America, had all Christian presidents and all of them were male. Thirdly, I did not convert to Christianty because I find myself able to buy a new bicycle and a computer. In other words, I dont have to rely on local churches for a second-hand computer and third-hand bicycle. Finally, America, the largest Christian nation regardless of its secularity, has never lived upto the promise of Bible. Bible forbids homosexuality, pre marital sex, divorces with exceptions, drinking and others, but which Christians in the world has been following that? If Christian born Americans cannot follow, then what is the logical reason of conversion to a religion whose teachings are not followed? Addditionally, religion is not a business that is operated for profit. As Swami Vivekananda during his Chicago speech said that he did not want the American Christians to convert into Hinduism; he wanted them to be a better Catholic or a Methodist. What he wanted in them was to find the God in their heart, and he reiterated that changing religion never finds God.
Please, Christian converts Bhutanese, dont sell the holy lesson of Bible and Jesus for membership and profit. As Gandhi said, “I like your Christ, but I dont like your Christians.” Even though you are a convert, you can never be a Christian because converts dont belong to any religions. Please, dont make religion a way to earn money. The only religion that converts have is opportunism. The duty of a convert is to find opportunities are materialistic profits. Dont low yourself so down that you choose to be a convert just because there are benefits right at the door. Rather make it a way to get knowledge and you dont have to be a Christian to do that.
Learn the good things that Bhagavad Gita, Quran, Bible, Toran and other books teach and use that to find the God in yourself, but never make your religion better and logical than others because God does not belong to any religions.
Dear Mr. Bhutanese, whosoever you are, there are certain restrictions at each and every systems, be it secular or non-secular one. It’s not that the wisdom will mount on oneself if one gets mere conversion for more of physical gain than the spiritual satisfaction. Begging is more esteem than selling oneself for the lust of Meta physical entities. And it is also equally valid that whatever you choose or prefer is not all in all or correct. And unstable being without gravity is really dangerous not only for self ruin but also for the total community.
It is a mockery on your insane submerged in the paddling pond saying that there are 10,000 churches at Bhutan. In Bhutan there are no 10,000 dwelling units to accommodate just 700,000 people and forget to mere console your hue and cry. And please quote which article and sub-clause has provided the provision to practice your choice to worship. And your chronological understanding calling it as history needs review of understanding the renaissance of your practice, may be the support from Gothic era or Byzantine era could make you feel the essence.
I’m not against the religion, but I’m against you guys who come to conclusion without understanding the fundamentals of practice.
Hello Sir,
I am glad you came to know about the religion, but anyway I think more understanding about the knowledge of converts, people are not forcefull converted, and the next thing we don’t care about the people doing we are just following Christ, it is not the religion but belief and none of the people has ever told wrong about the Hindus or or religion, threre are people from different religion who do not follow what exactly is written i quarn or
Gita. Just follow the Living God not the people.
Bhutanese Hindu and jigme(vu pu raja ta hoina katai??)
I like the expressions..
Here’s my xperience- A small chunk of Christian guys- who called themselves missionaries used to visit me evry day some months back but one fine day I told them that at no cost I was gonna convert my religion n then these guys were fired n bunked grumbling and rattling their teeth…they never came back to see me even when I called them( for party/ getogethr). Luckily I saw one of these fellows in the theater, and reaching him I said hi but he stared at me n shrunk his face xpressing hatred…then I realized ..” there must hav been some kind of benefit- cash or kind for them if they had been successful in baptizing me…or else they wudnt have been so much angry with me…
I like the teaching of bible…but not the people who have wrongly understood god in christainity.
Any ways hope our Bhutanese ‘kiristaani’ daju vaai won’t go that way. Good luck ram dam bro n co.
Dear Friends,
First of all we should not forget that we are Bhutanese, Bhutan is our country, it has given us life, it is not the country that expelled us but the people in Govt.
And even though I am Christian I am Bhutanese first. My first priority would for the people of Bhutan
People, please do not teach me religion. In 18 years time I spent over 10,000 Indian rupees attending our Believer conferences in Jaigaon; on travel, food, socializations etc. We learnt to live the best way possible in the warmth of the Lord’s love. My concern now is that I have not spent money being on the road trying to fight our way back to Bhutan. We were expelled from the country declaring illegal immigrants. We have given up the claims in the exile in the name of peace and joy to either party. Hence, if we claim to be Bhutanese diaspora abroad, then we are entering into a filthy fight with the regime. How long do we want to fight, or how long do we want stay without any citizenship?
Dear Sir,Special thanks for your progressive announce of bi-culture program at your church. It was one of the abundant precaution of culture and patriotic stress, and organizer will get peace land of heaven in near future about socialist play role.
Hello Bhutanese Hindu,
Nice expressions and nicely white-washed literature. Its really illogical that language prevented you from converting your religion. Into what religion? Is Christianity a religion? Have you ever gone through the Bible? Do Bible ask us to burn down our Nepali language or Sanskrit language? Is it written anywhere in the Bible? You really try to put allegations to Holy Bible or Bhagawat Gita. But sorry to say that our priests and pandits never shares the mantras in simpler language to everyone since they made it as begging bowl. Do any religion separates amongst human beings as Brahman, Ksetriyas, Vaisiyas and Sudras? What does these mean? Our Hindu religion had has divided and sub-divided amongst us where lower castes are not allowed to enter the house of upper castes. The lower caste cannot enter the same temple used by the upper castes people. Its really detoriating to
(continue…)disclose the culture of discrimination and domination amongst human beings. Its really impossible that you follow all the religions. Do you do Namaz (prayer of Muslims) every day? It has particular way to do and not like other religions do if you really follow Allah. Do you go to Masjid, having covered your head with small hat? Do you celebrate ID(Muslim festival)? Or do you go to the church during Sunday and do preaching? Do you celebrate Christmas? Doubtfully, you may go to Temple very occasionally for bowing down in front of man-made God(Statues) and put red Tika as a symbol that you prayed to God(Statue)which neither see,hear or do anything to the preachers. Pluralists people are very hard to trust as they don’t have fix philosophy. We know we must respect every religions but one cannot follow all the religions at a time. Like we can’t put our legs in two different boats at a time and there is great chance to drown. We should not give wrong interpretation of anything including Holy Books if we don’t have sufficient knowledge. Every religion says.’God is love” but it doesn’t say “God is language”. Religion linked with politics is subjective because of the system of democratic form of govt. If anyone is interested and has capacity to fight as President, its normal because of the system of the govt and never discriminates in terms of religion where much role is played by the original inhabitants of ones’ country, very internally,sometime. Its shame to express regarding the bicycle or computers where it is thrown into trash after using once or with little damages or because of use and throw system and where there is more cost to repair than to bring new one in the rich nations like US or European nations or Australia. Those Hindu Countries like Nepal and Indian never afford to e in that level even after one century. As there is great gap between the rich and the poor and not good governance.Its practical that Christian philosophy gives rather than takes. We are still being supported by most of the Christian Nations and kept us dignified human beings with safety and security where as Hindu nations like India never allowed to remain as good citizens of Bhutan instead helped Bhutan to dump in the refugee camps. Our friends were even shot to death while trying to go back to our own country. Is that good practice in Hinduism? Did Mother Teresa killed poor and needy people in Calcutta(kolkata) slums or shared everything she possessed to the needy people of India,being Christian? What else Bible teach? Homosexuality,premarital sex,divorces, exceptions. Those are amended in the constitutions as per the demand of the public in more democratic way but Bible still says those are sin to the human beings. Its done not by Bible but amended as according to the demand of the public by passing the bills in the house. You really know how to put false allegations and never try to see yourself in mirror as being a pluralist. We would have been in Ratua River, Tangtin Mai river or in some graveyards if the Christain nations around the world haven’t gave us helping hands What does Hindu philosophy taught us except dividing us in different castes and categories. You did the evaluation of Great person like Mahatma Gandhi who read bible and lastly created the philosophy of Ahimsa instead of converting himself as Christian for the sake of Indian freedom from British. Its just opposite that what you wrote regarding Christianity as it is not IN TAKING but BY GIVING we find peace in our soul or spirit. We do not need occasions to give anything like pundits eagerly wait for someone who is in hospice care for getting a cow or calf and couple of money and other wealth. Christianity culture believes in sharing and helping in every need and step of our lives. As everything is systematic where there is equal accountability by the govt.(like developed nation,US,AUSTRALIA)to every citizens in terms of age and conditions. I would like to conclude that may be due high standard of systems and culture, people all over the world rush towards developed Christian nations and not just to pick up cheap second hand computers and bicycles. When would our Hindu nations Nepal and India come in that position and be an example to the world? Instead there are lots of killings and robberies, rape cases, dirty politics, etc,etc…Last but not the least, Christian Nations started to grow first in every fields and influenced and helped people all over the world!!! Still ready to debate more if you want friend!
Thanks
Again,lastly, in every society,everyone would not be good or matured. Its easy to point to whole community if one does wrong. As you said,just for the greed of achieving something materialistic, we try to convert but its absolutely false. God always sees the truth but waits and punish the false believers. Either opportunists,false leadership,students,ordinary people,rich,black,white,etc.will be judged accordingly at the end. We just need to be in our own way and have its taste. If we really want to know its taste,we need to practice ourselves!
“PLURALISTS ARE THE REAL OPPORTUNISTS”- where India acts as a super power in South-east Asia with the Hindu Philosophy. India really created havoc for the innocent acting as big brother for all tiny nations including Bhutan,Bangldesh,Pakistan,Srilanka,Nepal and Maldives. India has a very good diplomacy but very dirty politics as pluralist want to act as such following every religions at a time.
Thanks Ramdam bro for sharing the article but any religion does not keep political boundary but search for peace and heavenly life for all the humanity. Religions cannot be done for showing but for the salvation from sin and eternal life in heaven. Bible teaches us love of God with heart and soul and not merely any competition!
Hello Bhutanese Hindu,
Thanks for your comment. But you really exaggerated Hinduisms which I could not digest so easily. One can be pluralists but cannot be in religions. One can be multi-talented but impossible to be in all the religions. We may experience hell or heaven only after our physical body dies. Likewise as you expressed about being Christians converting for materialistic greed but in reality,we need to have faith, repentance, daily prayer and bible study, so that we know what is truth. All human beings are created equal and we are divided into two categories-Male and female. No casteisims, no mantras,no discriminations in our professions/occupations like in Hinduisms. No worship of statues but of soul and holy spirit. God judges as according to his commitment and and how is he following the commandments.
This is not the counter attack, but just the reply where you people are still creating mess in the name of god. After knowing the essence of faith and having sufficient wisdom of background, it would carry some weight, but you guys jump for the lust of ‘revenge’ and to show others that you got converted. What a pity on you! Sorting some shortcomings of mother tuber is not the sufficient conditions to convert for a life time achievement.
If you look at some natural laws, the nature adopts and gives each mortal or immortal being to adjust in the existing environment. Likewise, you are created to follow certain basic requirements but you think you are smart enough to skip these natural creation.
Trying to connote with boat example I don’t understand what you want to convey, is that not applicable to you? Where there is a benefit, try being one and when the situation is little adverse pretend to be other. And as you mentioned that we all are supported by Christian nations, which is true but in gratitude is it worth to sell our esteem? Support or help doesn’t ask for return but your philosophical understanding compelled others also to carry the negative message that invited too much of mess, very treachery also.
Again you try to explain that we all are Bhutanese first, then bla bla…., but to call Bhutanese, there are certain characteristics to distinguish and in each phase if people are losing such features how dare one can classify in that category? So think well before noting some points in the forum. And your temperament makes thing wicked which is not going to help. And also you mentioned that Christianity is not in taking but giving. This sounds indigestive to me especially taking your case. What you can give when your cranium is empty? Do you think that you have that potential to give to others? Give others something good not the poison that will take the life or charm. Be a role model but not the negative protagonist. And fragmentation is not the social harmony.
And Samuel, it is good to learn that you bought your faith after spending Rs. 10,000. So your Rs. 10,000 on travel, food, etc. enlightened you that took 18 yrs to bring the halo over your head. But what is your qualification to understand the principle? And second thing is what type of anti-social crime have you committed to run that way? Why are you confine and hide that part of your contribution?
What do you want to convey by saying ‘if we claim to be Bhutanese Diaspora abroad, then we are entering to a filthy fight to the regime’?
Jigme,
Thanks for your comment and not a counter attack. Yeah, only our community in the whole universe creates mess and we are bound to do while Jigme regime imposed so unique and poisonous law in the country since 1985 . You are so cunning to put butter on the burning fire but we are more luckier and cleverer than many Jigmes. Better look at yourself in the mirror and point others. Now we are able to discuss on any matters relating to politics, religions,etc. by which our bitter situation gained knowledge in every aspects of life. We sheded blood and sweats and developed Bhutan and what other mess you want from us to do? You can easily tell anti-nationals as the country is being ruled by Tibetan origins and not from our community. But we never have egoism with the common people of Bhutan where we fed various foods, taught good things, helped in needs and all positive activities. By handful of doing bad things in the Nepalese community, you need not point the whole community. The hand or finger which is injured gets decayed…as saying in Nepali. We need to identify the weaknesses and shortcomings directly and modify the wrong teachings is my personal philosophy. No one should impose unwanted rules and ideology in the community. We should not drag the unwilling horse to the pond. By giving doesn’t reflect only materialistic things but we should share wisdom, love,respect and care for all. We need to trust each other and give or share what we have like wisdom, skills or ideas. We know the world is so materialistic and we divide by rich and poor through materials. We pay no heed to poor and needy and follow the rich people but we never try to study, how did he/she achieved richness. To conclude, we need to respect the good of everything but never hate and discard anyone from the community or country as done by our Bhutanese regime!
Let us follow a new creed – Buddhism + Christianism + Judaism + Hinduism + Sufism, Islamism + Zoroastrianism + Sikkism = Godism. Belief in God is the greatest religion.
Everybody Please read the book written by Dr. DAVID FRAWLEY on Hinduism.
Jesus Christ died for the cause of our sin and saved us. This is why I belive in Jesus. God loved Jesus and Jesus to us.We should also love to others, like Jesus loves to us.
So, I pray to God, to enlighten our christian friend and give them power to keep on helping people who are in need, in a broader sense irrespective of religion, state, etc. Left hand is always considered as a dirty hand because it does the dirty work.So, if a man slap with dirty left hand to a christian, than a true christian always slaps back with right hand which is pure and clean.True Christian to the best of my understanding should know about parable of samaritan, The Story of Moses and the 10 Commandments and many etc.
So that one will be proud to say that our Bhutanese Christian friends really knows what Christian is.
mr.nepali,
People do not have time to read your HIndu Bible.Do not impose your complex religion to any body.can you ask yourself,why many people hindus once jumped to other faiths groups?answer is easy because people like your mentality advocates your religion.
if you have time please read also, a book on jesus written by Dr.keshab Battarai
Christian converts,
I understand that it is a convert’s duty to defend new religion. The shameful thing is that you are not defending the merits of ur religion, but you are defending the values of a third-hand bicycle and second -hand bicycle that the churches gave to you as a reward for conversion. Peace, I agree with you that castism is a big problem in Hinduism, but I am also aware with the problems of Christianity. Has your church ever taught you how the Jews people were treated from you? Hitler was a Christian and he persecuted the Jews because he found their philosophy an antithesis to Christian’s viewpoint. America views the Holocaust is a book that narrates the viewpoints of American Christians during the Holocaust. Only few American conservative Christians demanded unconditional support to the Jews, the rest :……..? Peace, I didn’t know that u r so stupid that u forget the way African-Americans were treated. They were prevented from going to the same school with the whites.. Even in South Africa, predominantly a Christian state, racism totally prevailed. There is no religion that teaches for rascism and castism, society does that…It was not Jesus who taught to dislike Blacks, but it was the society which did that. The Vedas don’t say that the Brahmins are the upper castes and the Shudras are the lower. The Vedas say that Brahmins have third own duty and the others too.. The society misunderstood that lesson resulting in castism.. but Swami Vivekananda and Mahatma Gandhi have opposed castism. Most people now don’t believe in castism because people are taking the lesson of the Bhagavad Gita. Also conversion is not a solution to an existing problem. If you are born as a human, you.need to change the problems that exist in your society. Otherwise, people become a scapegoat- those who mention castism as a a reason for their conversion. Yes castism is bad but we are the one to change it…because of materialistic people like you, Castism has a place in Hinduism today. Hinduism has a rich history- it is associated with arts, music, astrology, politics and all. People like you can never understand it because you don’t have a mind to understand. You will be the first one to be Muslim if an Islam association gives you a.new computer and a bicycle. Shame on you and your perception on religion. Finally, after completing the Manhattan Project, Robert Oppenheimer, the American chief scientist during the World War 2, said, ” I am death and I am destroyer of the world”. He was never prepared to make an explosive against the evil, but when he read the Bhagavad Gita, he was able to fight against the evil. After he made the explosive, in a loud voice, he said what lord Krishna has said to Arjun. Conversion has become a problem in world today. A Christian militant organization, NTLF, has been killing thousands of Hindus in India ( Tripura) . And this military organization was supposed by a Baptist church… Understand everybody has right to one own’s religion but that excludes inducement and coercion
Hello writer,
Thanks for your article.The article gives hints to discrimination but in reality there is no existence of boundaries and limitation in Gods’ True and Holy Words – Its eternal and Holy. No one even make a dust by our own hands neither any creatures but God.We do not try to find God dwelling in our own soul. We need to do research by repenting our sins,by praying ,singinging hymns and reading the word of God( Bible) which is the true Gospel and need not spend a penny nor travel any gufas(caves),tirthas (pilgrimage)or anything. But we need to purify our mind and spirit with continuous prayers together,sharing Gods’ holy words and Trusting Him with all our Heart – He is only The WAY,TRUTH & LIFE!!! Thanks.
Human
Though you call yourself a human, how inhumane your beliefs are?how long you have been a Christian? How much you know about Bible?
Human, every body has own eyes and you don’t have the right to say what one has to see..Jesus may be a Gospel for Christians, but you don’t have the right to insist that everyone has to believe that. I am Hindu..so I won’t ask a Christian to believe in RAM or Krishna…don’t ever say that what you believe is only right…idiots do that but devotees don’t.. to me, all religions are important and I respect all Gods and Goddesses are equal..
I think Bhutanese Hindu is the real avtar or Ram or Ravana. Time and situation reveals everything. Being born in Hindu family and community, I do not like to defend so brutally and oppose. Due such demand of identification we were evicted. Everything has its own time and situation. Religion,Politics and casteisms mixed together reaches no where. Our main weakness lies in ourselves and we need to admit. Instead of giving thousand examples we can evaluate our own faults after so long bitter experience. Bhutanese Hindu may a person but if you really try to demand such indentification without having determination does not make sense. Any political demand with religious identification never complete its demands but its just a part of it. You may orthodox and mind your own businesss but needs to have the capacity to build unity in diversity which is a true leadership!
It hurts to this only Hindu when the world has been accepting miracles from the christian nations. Everywhere and in every situation, the world is respecting christianity and accepting Jesus Christ as saviour in their lives. I too respect other religion and people as my brothers and sisters but they never proclaimed as Hindu Bhutanese, Bhutanese christian or Indian Hindus. Its really uncivilized to proclaim self as Bhutanese Hindu where there is demand of multi party democracy and unity in diversity. We can respect as all religions as equal but we have our own ways of respect and trust in each other. We need to learn how to respect which every religions says. Discipline,respect,loving and trusting each other with commitment brings a miracle in the community but if we go in rage for a small thing when can we progress in the community. No can impose religions to anyone nor we can drag an unwilling horse to the pond. One should understand clearly about the subject and it depends on individual to accept it or not. Religios discussions never ends nor win or loose…but we should built a situation of win win or respect each other as being the creature of god and not merely act as GODS son. We are temporary in this world and we will be mixed up in the mud one day. Due to such levelling our democratic movement ended in ashtray. We can still break the bars and come together for broader unity and commitment!
Hi everyone, as I skimmed over all the comments commented above, I have found that people trying to define the word’RELIGION’by blaming on personal basis. I want to remind you all a beautifully written sentence ‘Judging other is telling I am superior ‘.You guys hurt eachother’s feeling which is very sinful if you throughly go through any holy scriptures.Here, I dont mean to say that I’m superior but just want to share my feelings with you all.There is no private GOD for HINDUS nor for CHRISTIANS. The GOD is one and only one but only the way we follow to reach him is different.
Meaning of GOD
G= generator
O= Operator
D= destroyer
If anyone can do this for meaningful purpose can be revered as GOD.
I really become proud to read Bhutanese Hindu’s comment.
Even in America there is dicriminatin between Americans, they have different churches, and one doesn’t allow the other to visit their church. So, this is not a discrimination for our Bhutanese converts.
But I am proud to be who I am, I love my culture and religion and proud of it. I frequently listen to the songs of Narayan Gopal, Gopal Yonjon, Aruna Lama, Tara Devi, Koili Devi, Kumar Banet, Sambhu Rai, Nati Kaji, Fateman and all Nepali Singers, but I don’t whose songs these converts are going to listen, May be …………
As per my knowledge and judgement goes,all are right in their own eyes. Like we say -“Everyone is right in our own eyes,” Until and unless we achieve full knowledge of anything we can never evaluate ourselves. We must admit our own faults that would be the first religion and then comes others. But if we ignore our own faults how he/she has the right to evaluate other faults? We are in two different worlds, mental and spiritual and they never work without each others’ help. If we go on using mentality we might not complete our missions and if we go deeply spiritually, we also fail to complete our missions. Likewise, every intellectuals, freedom fighters,religious leaders,social workers,scientists,teachers,businessman,etc. handle both of them systematically and acquire good results. But if we try to be so independent, no man can be an island and survive prosperously until he or she may be prisoned in exile or punished. Everyone has positive as well as negative parts like a moon where one side is dark and the other side is bright.Our life is also like an iceberg which shows only some positive attitudes but if delve deep into it,it is like Pandora’s box having lots of sufferings and weaknesses. So before pointing anyone with one finger, four other fingers are pointing at yourselves. So we need to unite from every angles irrespective or religions,science,politics, etc. which can also be broadly practiced democratic culture!
Mistakes are on readers parts!
God bless everyone!
Thanks.
We pray one God in different names in different religion, I don’t think converter has any religion. They have just converted to other religion to gain short term readily available benefits. For me converting religion means feeling ashamed to say mother to one’s own mother and trying to say mother to other’s mother because they looks pretty for a while…
Hello Yadu,
Your comment hurts democracy,who is the mother of all and and takes care of anyone including atheist,disable, irreligious,scientists,professionals,etc. Your thinking cannot be digested by all mankind around the globe who change ideology according to the environment and situation which is so private and confidential. I believe in confidentiality and privacy without hurting anyone’s personal faith and life. We need to avoid and wash away the Asian culture(south-east)where there is great culture of interference in others personal life. Matured democratic practice heals all disbelief amongst each other and have mutual trust under one umbrella of Law – Made by Mother Democracy by the mandates of great minds. Sorry to disturb your sentiments.
Thanks
Hello fair,
Your opinion makes clear how innocent you are. You are right that democracy is the mother of all, but you are missing the bitter part of it. Do you know that the U.S. was a democratic country since the late 17th century? At the same time you shouldnt forget that slavery existed years and years since the establishment of democracy. You shouldnt even forget that women were not allowed to vote until 1920s. You should also remeber that black Americans were discriminated based on “JIM CROW LAWS”. So, where in the world has your democracy been equal? Even the United Kingdom has colonized many countries? Many Indians have died to liberate India. Democracy is an ideal concept, but the society of majority always undermines the rights of minorities. Additionally, religion came before democracy. After reading the Bhagavad Gita, Mahatma Gandhi fought to liberate India. Similarly, Dr. Martin Luther King was guided by the lesson of Bible to fought against discrimination. Additionally, dont privatize the concept of religious ideoligies in the name of privacy and environment. Whoever you are, so you are. There is no religion that separates people, but constitution does that because it guarantees freedom and liberty. Your little knowledge is so danger that you failed to understand rich Asian cultures and heritages. Who the master are you to ask us to avoid and whitewash Asian cultures? How long you have been Westerners? Just receiving a Green Card cannot make you an American since your ascent is Asian…I challenge you that if you are able to whitewash Asian culture, call yourself an American while doing paperworks and change your accent. Little mind, the African American were never treated equally in the U.S. where the constitution treated every citizen equal. Please take some school to understand institution and democracy. ……
Democracy is an imperative part in human life and it is needed to protect everybody. But there is no guarantee it gives equal rights….
I hope you will kindly take my note….
Friends, why are you wasting your time and effort, criticizing your fellow brothers with useless and baseless argument. It is universal truth that religion is in your heart and in your spirit, not in the church or in the temple. God is not found in the Gita nor in the Bible. These are only the books about the fictional heros, who were introduced by our ancient philosopher to make the follower to believe it, and to make the follower aware about what is good and what is not.
I believe, there is no harm to follow the religion, but it is same to argue just by saying my religion is better, and others are worst. Common friends! this is 21st century, and it is amazing . Where human are god and brotherhood is the religion. It would be wise to pray our Scientist, doctors, nurses, engineers, astrologers, teachers, and so on…. who make this century totally different( which you are enjoying today). Relax and imagine! You will love the way how beautiful is this real world. Why are you criticizing the one who change the religion, and for what are you changing your religion?
You will be proud to think this world as a single nation, its creatures as its government, and the brotherhood as the pure religion.
Remember your past, the trauma you got from your king, your life in the camp, and analyze your situation now in the new world. Are you ready and being prepared to bring change in Bhutan? Then only your heart and your spirit will remain in peace. Your tears and pain will be compensated. And finally, you will be the real follower of the crystal clear religion.
Your well wisher!
Bhutanese Hindu, make sure democracy doesn’t relate neither to US nor UK or any other Asian nations but I can flatly say whoever you are and whatever you try to claim yourself as Hindu, you must brainwash anyone of the true citizens of this universe that labeling anyone be more superior and concrete. You too need to unfold the books of History and chapters of Democracy to learn before brainwashing anyone. Your hypothetical words itself is baseless in terms of democracy where we can rightly, truely,perfectly,completely,cent per cent as ” DEMOCRACY IS FOR THE PEOPLE,BY THE PEOPLE AND OF THE PEOPLE” Better you admit any school or college before acting as a teacher or becoming superior. “First get rid of the log from your own eye then perhaps you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend’s eye.”
God bless ALL….
ERROR- YOU MUST NOT…instead of Must..
Dear Bhutanese Hindu,
You cannot be exclusive and hit others sentiments. You have the freedom to correct and reconcile and make the way for peace but not advocating on any ones personal matter. You still have the trace of uncivilized culture where others privacy is unfolded in public sites. But need to be matured and learn the learn the lesson of confidentiality and privacy which is more digested by all. I hold nothing accept my soul which remains eternal and others everything temporary. I can say or advice “You are joined together with peace through spirit, so make every effort to continue together in this way” Mr.Don’t rock the Boat” jumps in and tries to smooth everyone’s’ ruffled feathers the issue is never resolved, and everyone lives with an underlying frustration. Everyone knows about the problem, but no one talks about it openly. This creates a sick environment of secrets where gossips thrives.” Frankness is not a license to say anything you want, whereever and whenever you want. It is rudness. There is time for everything and a right way to to do everything. Thoughtless words leave lasting wounds and never use harsh words…..thanks…
”The concept that all the great religions proceed from the same Source merits serious contemplation.
The Bahá’í Writings point out that certain important teachings are found in all religions. For example, the injunction to love one’s fellow men echoes throughout all the Holy Writings. The Old Testament of the Bible enjoins: “thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”(Lev. 19:18). The Bhagavad-Gita (12:13) instructs: “A man should not hate any living creature. Let him be friendly and compassionate to all.” These words sound not so different from “love your enemies, bless them that curse you” as uttered by Jesus (Matthew 5:44). Compassion, loving-kindness, sympathetic joy, and equanimity are said by Buddhist scriptures to be divine conditions of the mind. “Do you love your creator? Love your fellow-beings first,” reads a well-known Islamic tradition. And Bahá’u’lláh, the Prophet-Founder of the Bahá’í Faith writes: “ye were created to show love to one another and not perversity and rancour. Take pride not in love for yourselves but in love for all mankind” (Tablets of Bahá’u’lláh, 136). So prominent is the teaching of universal love among all religions that it could be viewed as a goal common to them all. That the basic human virtues — kindness, generosity, humility, trustworthiness — are taught by all religions would also suggest a common origin.
– good food for thought to those hell bent on showing faith supremacy.
Nilik
Dear Nilik,
You’re to the point but faith supremacy still advocates as theirs is the best of all religions and makes everything controversial. Religion in reality binds us in love but mixed with politics brings chaos, wars and disturbance. Hence,it would be wise to volunteer to open religious and political blog/sites separately so that it doesn’t bring any conflicts. Those who are gifted spiritually need not mixed up with political sites even if it is public. little knowledge is a dangerous thing as it is said, some writings are so emotional and aggressive that it makes mentally disturbed and may go wild. True writers and true readers are limited but writing unnecessarily makes havoc. Nilik has written with logic and added some flavors to the site. Keep it up! Thanks.
Not wise to have unnecessary debate on religious issues. One can do whatever one likes unless he/she harms others. All religions are good but one has the right to follow the one likes. I am Hindu and I have lots of Christian friends. However, they have never told me to convert my religion. The problem is that we follow Him(God) but never follow His ( God’s teaching). These type of people are found in all religions and there are good people in all religions too.So why should we try to make it an issue? Whether I am a Hindu, Buddhist , Christain, Islam ,my duty is to respect all other religions because I am also a follower of one religion.We all people of different religions are under the common umbrella of faith,love ,kindness. So, we are a big family having different faiths and ideologies. So,let us cultivate the sense of universal brotherhood and treat others as ourselves. That would make this world a beautiful place to live.If not let us at least try to tolerate others. Thanks.
Thanks Mr.Ramdam for sharing your article. I would say that our nationalism has become internationalism and we are now the citizen of the world. We reached our determination,our goal and our bright future which we were dreaming and still dreaming. Now we are being sent as a mission to this far western world to get established,get civilized, to educate,to progress,etc.etc. Now we are no more pendulum of any leaders but the true missionary of GOD who helped us to come out of hell or slum. We are in the world of 21st century where we have opportunity to enjoy our life with dignity and honor with full democratice norms. However we need to finish the debt for which we got help in such a pathetic situation. Here,what I want to mention is we are united in diveersity, whatever faith we have we need to refresh our past bitter incidents and wash our hearts and mind with purity and wisdom. We are no more divided,instead we are treated as one family by all the nations and saved us from hunger and death. Therefore, we are the citizens of this universe and we need to fulfill the needs of the developing nations and always stand united in every angles. No matter whatever our ideologies,beliefs or thinkings are. Everone is leader and all are followers and all are followers and all are leaders. We are the family of GOD and he is our true shepherd in any situation…Therefore, no one is exclusive and cannot remain alone. United we stand divided we fall…..Thanks…
Hi Everybody,
Namaskar and Kuguzampo, Zen Par Lak soo,
Everyone has talked about the God!!! Religions!! and faith.
Can anyone show us where is the God? No one can point towards the God. We all believe in the God regardless of our religion differences. So everyone is BELIEVER of the God. Not only Christine.
WHO IS JESUS,BUDDHA,KRISHNA, AND RAM?
They were all ordinary human and received extra ordinary power through faith and beliefs. They went through certain meditation and received enlightenment. so, they were all religious leader, not the God.
All the religions are same;
Religion evolved after human civilization. All the religious books are human made. They are all written by human beings. Let me know if anyone has read the books in any religion written by the God. I don’t mind to be converted if any religious group can come up with holy book written and printed by the God.
In Hinduism, many many God are imaginary figure. Kali had only 6 hands long time ago. Now we can see with 8 hands.
Hindu epic are never being updated and the same books and the contains are followed with closed eyes.
How come Ram and Krishna had battle with Rowan who is considered as Monster. In fact, Rowan was a king and had affairs with Sita. The battle was about Sita.
For Buddhist.
Buddha got enlightened and tough so many truth but how come he forgot about his wife and kids.
Please share a copy of holy book ( from any religion) written by the God, I promise for conversion tomorrow into that religion.
Bhutanese Nepali American (BNA)
Hello BNA,
I am too wondering with those questions? I came to know that Ramayana, Mahabharata, Bible (old and new testimony) are all written by philosophers.
Tripitaka ( holy book of Buddhist) was written in the request of King Walagambahu from Sri Lanka, and Ku-ran (Holy book of Islam) was recited by Muhammad.
However, Since today, only the mystery is Vedas, there is no answer who wrote it, some resources claim that it was only compiled by Vyasa Krishna around at (c. 1500 BC) .
This is all what I know.
Thanks!
Hello Samuel,
Thanks for writing.
So literally and technically people today follow what was made ready long long time ago.
I agree, Bible has been updated periodically. But both Buddhist and Hindu’s books are based still in olden days. Despite of many generation same rules are being imposed to the believers.
Religious leaders command strongly having been gone through such technical writings.The most common imagination of haven and hell in all religions is taken as significant focus.
After all, who has seen haven and hell. What if imaginary hell today is a better place after death than haven?
People live with making choice of going to haven because such religious books have covered the brain.
We do consider the God is great and nice. Why the God has created hell so scary. What place is there between haven and hell for people who have not been so good and not been bad either?
BNA
Hello,
Recession***** and those you have full time job (40 hours) had got GOD!!!!!
It is good job by brotherly Ramdam. But even this good intention and good job taking his time, energy and recourses invited lot of unwelcome debate, as if hell itself rose up with its mighty forces under powerful generals to face the challenge against his efforts of remaining organized faith based entities in the Diaspora! Therefore, the message although universal is effective only to them “that have ears to hear”. This is world where hell and heaven exercise their influence inciting and inspiring their own adherents respectively. God bless the efforts of dear Christian Ramdam to bear good fruits in the lives of many resulting into enlightenment and salvation of all Bhutanese by the glorious Gospel of Lord Jesus Christ.
Hinduism = Indianism. But even Indians are foreigners in India if they call themselves “Hindus” because Hindu (=Indus) is now in Pakistan which is a declared Muslim (of Mohammad’s version) State. Bhutanese Hindu is therefore an Indian stooge licking dust at the feet of his Bhutanese masters with the hope of sharing exploits against the Human Rights violations of the state committed against the Bhutanese that did not subscribe to the supremacy of Drukpa Culture initiated couple of decades ago.
Regarding the ownership of God by whom many confide superiority over others, He is not owned by any tribe/community/caste/nation. But He Has generously offered to own any tribe/community/caste/nation that abides in obedience of His divine commandments, statutes and ordinances. As such, the best among all are those who submit to His commandments as the prime duty in life. The essence of that all is to know His Son Y’Shua the Messiah and believe in Him. He is not just my God but is also the God of my neighbor giving me the duty to love him as I love myself. Christians as such are a people near unto God and seek to forget the divisions that separated them when they were in the world but now find them united in their common High Calling of God…
The first immigrants landed to USA seeking religious freedom. Thus, US is not founded by Christians, rather by atheists. (US History “Early Civilizations.”), and history of Portuguese Empire.
Most of the Western Nations involving in the third-country resettlement are not Christian Nations; For example:
1. United States of America. (Which has resettled the highest number so far.)
2. Canada (Second highest)
3. Australia. (Growing as a world power)
4. Netherlands.
5. NewcZealand.
6. Only 20% of Norwegians say that religion occupies an important place in their life (according to a recent Gallup poll), the fourth-lowest such percentage in the world (ahead of only Estonia, Sweden and Denmark)
7. Denmark. ( Everyone has the right to choose their religion, except royal family.)
8. United Kingdom. (A Tearfund survey in 2007 showed only one in ten Britons actually attend church weekly.)
Thus, we are practically not in Christian nations.
You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7
Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13
Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20
Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11
Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5.
WHO IS CRUEL????
In 15th century, Church ruled the states. Those years are called “BLACK AGE” in the history,
Kismat’s efforts are bent to paint his version of the pictures about God and religion, intent to malign good. Regarding God, there is no “his god and my God” but there is only ONE GOD over us all who has given us the Scriptures with rules for conducts in the society… These rules are uncompromising being complete and perfect. There is no place for the new rule and is strongly denied. This amounts to killing by way of refusing the erroneous views, if you accept. Mankind is required to obey rather than rebelling, debating/arguing and threatening back, calling God Cruel and thus making oneself better than God that created us!
Regarding the Black Age of the so called Church Rule in the 15th century, it was not the Church Rule that brought it but the evil/ambitious men that ruled in the name of the Church, forbidding the use of Scriptures, disturbing the consciences of the spiritually awakened persons that resisted the evil in the garb of the Church. The true Church as such vindicates herself by acknowledging it was not her rule over states that brought the Dark Ages, signaling the birth of many ethnic nations that did not claim isolation/superiority from others during the reigns of the previous emperors in the Imperial periods in history.
That which was common among the various ethnic groups under the emperors of the past was the Christian Religion in Europe and parts of West Asia. When some ambitious man aspired to take the vacant place of the Emperors, should Church be implicated for that? It is similar to the views that opine that “since Hitler was a Christian, the holocaust of the Jews brought by Hitler was the deed of the Christians or the Church as a whole”. But will that logic/opinion hold any truth? Generalizing crimes of criminals camouflaged in the community wearing out its values and principles should be considered greater crime and hence kismat is a greater criminal!
Yishai; a very used to word. Often comes in one’s tongue. I didn’t write these statements, your Bible did. So, according to you, the Bible is wrong and doing a crime? ****, don’t strangle your own neck on this word-fight.
BTW, I was not calling cruel to the god,be it be Buddha, Ram, Krishna, Guru Nanak, or Jesus, rather I was casting off the worst verses from your bible.
I was generally explaining you all that we all are not in Christian Nations.
Non of the nations which has resettled Bhutanese so far are Christian Nations.
I don’t have any problems with Christianity and Christians. I don’t care whatever they do, for themselves. I certainly understand the values of Religious Tolerance. The only hing I like is you Nepali christian who have over understood Christianity. There are lots of White Christians who put tika and socialize nicely with Hindu or Buddhist religions. Then, why can’t you?
Grow up people, if you follow religion like this then you will land no where.
None of the evangelical, born again Christian will take the views of other unsaved, confused people as a guide or rule of faith. I already mentioned earlier about refusing the wrong views of the errants and thus killing them by the action even if they be our close relatives. Following their weired views means death to the soul. We are simply maligned for accepting fellow human beings as accepting their dark religions with them, which we never do as it amounts to spiritual harlotry!
Do you advocate the promotion of harlotry as acceptable social practice, KISMAT? If you do not, there is similar Order in the spiritual realm for the faithful to abide as shining example to the unbelievers. Shalom.
hi all,
religion has nothing to do with nationality. lets not waste our time discussing on which religion is good and bad? think wide and use this time on worthy discussion than debating on religion.just respect every religion coz every religion has the same theme to do good for all..
nikash, I hate religious debates as they do not come to end but lead many of us to the end of ourselves!… Neither can I respect all religions alike as they do not teach same thing or good behaviour to others. I was lold by some that Mohammedan believe killing a Jew is peace and killing a Christian would assure place in paradise. I can not respect the cult of my enemy though I love the deceived people performing crime for their opportunity to repent and be saved.
Kismat did not respect Christ when he quoted Bible verses out of context against Ramdam’s desire of remaining faith-based entity in the diaspora. You see, we never offend but we are offended and challanged everywhere in everything! As you mentioned, religion and nationality are two different things which should not be messed up together. There are few religions but many nationalities vindicate your view. The nations have not conscience but the people have, the nations cannot have religion but the citizens take the religion of choice that convinces of the unknown (past and the future…). Your secular views hold good for quite a long while keeping the divided factions in peace…
Sorry to be late for response. Actually, I had replied earlier, but I guess BNS editor didn’t like my response. Here, I am again with some humanistic beliefs; not anti Christ beliefs though.
Old Testaments was written about thousand of years ago. We can estimate it to be around 2000 years ago, if we remember AD as its base. Thus, making it the oldest-documented words of Jesus (LIGHT OF THE WORLD). I just want to know, which Bible have you read, understood, and/or believe???
1. The Old Testament, which is the first documented of its kind, OR
2. The New Testament, which is just the edited version of The Old Testaments, done some 400 years ago by the Protestants, who themselves preach not to change the Bible???
I will also give results for your answer!!!
If you say 1, then you believe in cruel god because;
1. That God is a flame and fire
2. That God encouraged incest
3. That God encourages cannabalism
4. That God had peoples hand, feet and heads cut off
5. That God had tens of thousands killed cause they could not spead a word properly when talking.
6. That Sampson went around killing people and tearing them apart and it was all good with God (and this is after the ‘ thou shall not’s ‘)
7. That God is a war monger
8. That he himself has said he is vengeful, fearful, cruel, and more…
9. That this list could go on and on…..
10. In the old testament God killed over 10 million people.
If you say 2 then you believe Christianity based on lies.
If you say BOTH, then…everyone will understand, what Christian you are???
Good Luck.
By the way, I am neither against Christianity not for other religions.
I just don’t like people who don’t know the TREE and still boasting off for fruits.
Well wise KISMAT, there is no division of the Bible to the extent of ONE part contradicting the OTHER. Men in the OT were given the responsibility to obliterate/annihilate the heathen and establish Worship of true God Worldwide. The OT believers failed as they drew compromise with idolaters and were themselves led to captivity. The NT believers are not given a geographical area/region to set earthly kingdom and rule, applying the Laws that men already broke (and all are now labeled LAW BREAKERS).
Our duty now is to remain in the Kingdom wherein we are called and live in the world as ambassadors/missionaries of God, behaving with the world inhabitants by the new commandment that in summary teaches to: DO TO OTHERS AS YOU WISH THEM DO TO YOU. The OT principle was: DO TO OTHERS AS THEY WISH TO DO TO YOU. The warfare as such is not yet over. It is being fought in the heaven, against the opposing forces of ideologies and principles that deny the authority of Christ. If the unbelievers reject our mediatory services of call for reconciliation to God by Christ, all will be damned on the Day of Judgment.
Judging Holy God as Cruel not seeing His grace in which He is waiting with longsuffering for the turning back of the sinners to Him through repentance will result in receiving the desired expectation as legitimate end! What advantage did the atheist gain after the life’s journey?
Ramdamji,
Is it true that pure Nepali christians never entertained like in music,recreations,trips,watching films and so on so ? I have seen Nepali conservative Christians never ever involves in such activities in Nepal,India and Bhutan but you and your family after arriving in USA has changed completely….why ? I have seen some one video clip singing a hindi song from jaanwar with some kids..I have seen one of your family members in glamour in ” Shuruwat”. I found your acting is very good.If you are offer a good oppurtunity to act in Hollywood,will you prefer to go?
But, Jesus Christ is the Lord!